Fran sums up an awful conversation she had with someone of a conservative bent over gay marriage. Lest we think that all conservatives all as much of a lost cause as that guy she posted a seperate discussion with a different conservative gentleman that went much better.
Fran's tale reminded me of a story about Mrs. Wormer. One of the things I love about Mrs. Wormer are her very impressive rhetorical skills. She's not someone you want to get into an argument with as she'll leave you tongue tied.
Several years ago (before kids) we volunteered to fight the first of many anti-gay rights ballot measures that the Oregon Citizen's Alliance but on the ballot. I have a vivid memory of watching Mrs. Wormer in a heated, but cordial discussion with a conservative Christian over this ballot initiative.
Mrs. Wormer dismantled each and every argument he threw at her, not by dismissing his religious beliefs but by confronting and even playing to them. You either believe in a God of compassion and love or you believe in a vengeful, angry God. You can't have it both ways.
She got this guy to admit he may be wrong which was a pretty amazing thing around such an emotionally heated issue. I'm pretty proud to be married to somebody like that.