tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post2359947718710284212..comments2024-03-29T02:30:38.964-07:00Comments on The Dean's Office: And then I introduce them to Harvey... and he's bigger and grander than anything they offer me.Dean Wormerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06214049238722718299noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-13952268331913814772008-05-15T13:23:00.000-07:002008-05-15T13:23:00.000-07:00anita-I think that's the best approach. We've use...anita-<BR/><BR/>I think that's the best approach. We've used the letter as a discussion point for all three of our kids. That in and of itself has made it worth it.Dean Wormerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06214049238722718299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-27827320783718752382008-05-15T06:34:00.000-07:002008-05-15T06:34:00.000-07:00despite that i find the very fact that the teacher...despite that i find the very fact that the teacher had the audacity to send such a letter to parents, i tend to agree with don snabulus. why create a scene that would potentially embarrass your awesome kid when you can use it as an object lesson in how cowardly, personally and intellectually, adults can, and will, be.anitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11950712894174167863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-13195309911736545372008-05-14T08:09:00.000-07:002008-05-14T08:09:00.000-07:00dave-I agree with everything you wrote. It's inte...dave-<BR/><BR/>I agree with everything you wrote. It's interesting but when I re-read the paragraph a couple of times the whole thing hinges on the word "sensitive."<BR/><BR/>Teaching actual science isn't sensitive.<BR/><BR/>bac-<BR/><BR/>I'll keep you in mind should this get any weirder. Right now it just looks like they're trying to skate a thin line. <BR/><BR/>We're just trying to figure Dean Wormerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06214049238722718299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-54707915104450031282008-05-14T07:48:00.000-07:002008-05-14T07:48:00.000-07:00This is clearly pandering to the fundies. Now if ...This is clearly pandering to the fundies. Now if they decide to teach intelligent design instead of evolution, call me. I know people who know people ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>BACBAChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04394238321236592123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-66633671330907158162008-05-14T03:39:00.000-07:002008-05-14T03:39:00.000-07:00I think that you should speak to the faculty in pe...I think that you should speak to the faculty in person. Go straight down to the principal's office. Bring Harvey with you. ;o)Dr. Zaiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16153875976834518896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-50535417302980685732008-05-14T01:49:00.000-07:002008-05-14T01:49:00.000-07:00It's obvious to me from reading all of this that E...It's obvious to me from reading all of this that Exxon is behind the teaching of intelligent design. I propose that anyone who doesn't want their children to learn proper science should go all the way with this idea. Said children should not be allowed to use computers, internal combustion engines, electricity, or antibiotics. Also, there should be an option at church services so that people can Overdroidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13163906729547832272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-14468989601754361812008-05-13T19:21:00.000-07:002008-05-13T19:21:00.000-07:00Hey no slappz, this is post about Dean’s daughter ...Hey no slappz, this is post about Dean’s daughter and school science, not about being an apologist for Exxon. If you disagree with dean then post your rebuttal on your site so we can ignore it. Thanks<BR/><BR/>For the record I’d like something along the lines of what arkonbey said.Swinebreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947060321484913676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-50748586739232059202008-05-13T17:55:00.000-07:002008-05-13T17:55:00.000-07:00dean wormer,Exxon, as I stated, generated revenue ...dean wormer,<BR/><BR/>Exxon, as I stated, generated revenue of $404 billion in 2007. Out of that total, the company paid $106 billion in taxes. <BR/><BR/>Of the $106 billion, Exxon paid income taxes of $30 billion, it paid sales taxes of $32 billion other taxes (excise, etc) of $44 billion. <BR/><BR/>Do you understand that the $404 billion of revenue is reduced by $32 billion of sales taxes and no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-88016705256625164222008-05-13T17:50:00.000-07:002008-05-13T17:50:00.000-07:00Are you saying your kids are learning by following...Are you saying your kids are learning by following the wisdom of the <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Kat-Kong-Dav-Pilkey/dp/0152049509/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210725857&sr=8-1" REL="nofollow">good book</A>?<BR/><BR/>More seriously, I clearly graduated at the right time between the waves of nuts trying to attack science in the classroom.mwbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13812827223923093037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-80585120177963619382008-05-13T16:31:00.000-07:002008-05-13T16:31:00.000-07:00Maybe the teacher is just collecting the names to ...Maybe the teacher is just collecting the names to hold them up for ridicule.<BR/><BR/>I wish.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the teacher will send a follow-up letter that says if you sign up for the alternative all advanced placement classes are now beyond your child's reach, given that you prohibit critical thinking at home.<BR/><BR/>I also wish.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the teacher will assign a class on sex education Jess Wundrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627683239720941969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-28116099613955780172008-05-13T13:09:00.000-07:002008-05-13T13:09:00.000-07:00I think there's no need for snarkiness - We need t...I think there's no need for snarkiness - We need to remind our school boards and politicians that in school, science is taught. Religion, superstition and faith can be taught at home and church. Separation of the two is one of the founding principles of our country and people in school boards are continually ignoring this concept.<BR/><BR/>Science is not some vague, weirdly conceived notion, Dave The Angry Rhode Islanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726030556140856125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-1912696249828950192008-05-13T12:34:00.000-07:002008-05-13T12:34:00.000-07:00no slapz-Actually, after checking Exxon's 10-K I s...no slapz-<BR/><BR/>Actually, after checking Exxon's 10-K I see the 106 billion was listed as "excise and other taxes."<BR/><BR/>In other words it was mostly taxes on gas that Exxon collected at the pump and forwarded to the government. Much like the payroll taxes I keep harping on.<BR/><BR/>Thus the 30 billion in taxes reported on their income statement is the accurate number.<BR/><BR/>Please Dean Wormerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06214049238722718299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-14456335112308152722008-05-13T12:23:00.000-07:002008-05-13T12:23:00.000-07:00freida-I checked the state standards. Thanks for ...freida-<BR/><BR/>I checked the state standards. Thanks for the advice.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately it appears that here in Oregon they've wimped out on this question.<BR/><BR/>While they specifically highlight the fact that only scientifically recognized theories of a non-religious nature can be taught they don't seem to say anything about this weird case of allowing students to opt out. Along thoseDean Wormerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06214049238722718299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-47704289511445242142008-05-13T12:08:00.000-07:002008-05-13T12:08:00.000-07:00I'd say you should choose a more important battle ...I'd say you should choose a more important battle than this case.<BR/><BR/>You need to take into account any consequences the action would take on your TOTALLY AWESOME 7th grader.<BR/><BR/>Small minded people in a small minded town can take a toll on a young person with a big heart.<BR/><BR/>Like Ladybug said, there may be a more complicated back story here. Maybe you can discuss what the deal Don Snabulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05911180639753508627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-82762805833657232502008-05-13T11:48:00.000-07:002008-05-13T11:48:00.000-07:00dean,To get the full picture of taxes paid by any ...dean,<BR/><BR/>To get the full picture of taxes paid by any company you must go to the company's SEC statements.<BR/><BR/>There is a tax section on Exxon's 10-K which shows all the payments.<BR/><BR/>In short: $106 billion for ALL taxes paid in 2007.no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-32476986299839677612008-05-13T11:18:00.000-07:002008-05-13T11:18:00.000-07:00This is dumb, sounds to me the teach is inviting c...This is dumb, sounds to me the teach is <I>inviting</I> controversy... although perhaps the teacher has had run-ins w/the fundie folks before....and maybe the principal didn't back him up? He cooked this up in concert w/the principal as a result? Dunno, hard to say..<BR/><BR/><BR/>Why alert helicopter-type fundie parents to this? Just teach the gosh darned science, and if someone has a prob, dealladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08814418184624819506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-36152460214183595292008-05-13T11:02:00.000-07:002008-05-13T11:02:00.000-07:00Rather than evoke the FSM (May he be forever al de...Rather than evoke the FSM (May he be forever al dente), perhaps a snarky note along the lines of: <BR/><BR/>"Why, of course our child will be take part in your course section on the formation of the universe. This is because she is not a drooling idiot and would prefer to increase, rather than decrease, her intelligence."<BR/><BR/>What do you think the 'alternative assignment' would be?Arkonbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11056581569235023216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-86793868928277983162008-05-13T10:43:00.000-07:002008-05-13T10:43:00.000-07:00Go to those on-line GLE's.Go to those on-line GLE's.Freida Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489663202315694313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22563112.post-51661346436098827442008-05-13T10:39:00.000-07:002008-05-13T10:39:00.000-07:00Here in Austin, the curriculum is directly accessi...Here in Austin, the curriculum is directly accessible to all. The ISD posts the IPGs, through their website and the TEA posts the TEKS.<BR/><BR/>Oh, <A HREF="http://www.k12.wa.us/curriculuminstruct/EALR_GLE.aspx" REL="nofollow">here they are</A> for the state of Washington. They're called EALRs there.<BR/><BR/>They mandate what material the teachers are required to cover.<BR/><BR/>The letter Freida Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489663202315694313noreply@blogger.com